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04/08/2014 07:30 AM Senate SPECIAL COMM ON IN-STATE ENERGY


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07:31:41 AM Overview: Alaska Energy Authority
09:00:43 AM Adjourn
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Overview of Alaska's Long Term Energy Plan
Fairbanks Gases Build Out and Gas Trucking
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON IN-STATE ENERGY                                                                         
                         April 8, 2014                                                                                          
                           7:30 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator John Coghill, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SARA FISHER-GOAD, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of the Alaska Energy                                                                 
Authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
EUGENE THERRIAULT, Deputy Director                                                                                              
Energy Policy and Outreach                                                                                                      
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of the Alaska Energy                                                                 
Authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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7:30:49 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR CLICK BISHOP called the Senate Special Committee on In-                                                              
State Energy meeting to order at 7:30 a.m. Present at the call                                                                  
to order were Senators Coghill, Micciche, Egan, and Co-Chair                                                                    
Bishop.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                              
               OVERVIEW: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:31:41 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP welcomed  the Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA) to                                                               
the committee  meeting. He  announced that  AEA would  present an                                                               
overview of  Alaska's long  term energy  plan, the  Fairbanks gas                                                               
build-out, and the natural gas trucking plan.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:33:17 AM                                                                                                                    
SARA  FISHER-GOAD, Executive  Director, Alaska  Energy Authority,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska, set  forth that  AEA has  been viewed  as the                                                               
state's energy department.  She said the AEA  overview will allow                                                               
legislators to share  what they may like to see  and in turn what                                                               
AEA would like to see for improved program coordination.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She  addressed page  2, "Electricity  Generation by  Region." She                                                               
said  Alaska is  a very  large state  with a  population that  is                                                               
spread  out. She  noted that  conversely, a  significant Railbelt                                                               
population concentration exists for  energy generation and usage.                                                               
She set forth  that AEA is a statewide agency  that addresses the                                                               
high  energy  costs  and  does   not  exclusively  focus  on  the                                                               
Railbelt.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:35:47 AM                                                                                                                    
She called attention to page  3, "Energy Costs Vary." She pointed                                                               
out that  Alaska has a  very significant regional  cost disparity                                                               
regarding diesel  fuel, natural gas, and  hydro-electrical energy                                                               
usage.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She noted  page 4, "Reducing the  Cost of Energy." She  set forth                                                               
that  AEA's primary  mission  is  to reduce  the  cost of  energy                                                               
through planning and  policy. She said AEA invests  in the energy                                                               
infrastructure  and diversifies  the  energy  portfolio with  its                                                               
Renewable  Energy Grant  Fund (REGF),  and noted  larger projects                                                               
such  as the  Susitna-Watana  Hydroelectric  Project (SWHP).  She                                                               
revealed that AEA provides technical  and community assistance by                                                               
working with  communities to diversify their  portfolios and take                                                               
advantage of REGF.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:37:27 AM                                                                                                                    
She addressed  page 5, "What  Does Energy Include,"  pointing out                                                               
that AEA has a lot of  programs that deal with energy issues. She                                                               
noted  that energy  means different  things to  different people.                                                               
She    stated    that    energy   includes    "efficiency"    and                                                               
"transportation."  She remarked  that  the  Alaska Department  of                                                               
Health  and  Social  Services  has  a  public  assistance  energy                                                               
program  called   Low  Income  Home  Energy   Assistance  Program                                                               
(LIHEAP) that  address specialized  public assistance.  She added                                                               
that the Alaska  Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)  has a mature                                                               
energy efficiency  program that offers weatherization  rebates to                                                               
homeowners.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD noted  page 6, "Energy Planning  and Policy." She                                                               
explained  that  AEA statutorily  acts  as  a clearinghouse  that                                                               
manages the  state's energy related  functions and  programs. She                                                               
added  that AEA  monitors the  state's energy  goals, coordinates                                                               
with other agencies, and provides project analysis.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She  introduced Gene  Therriault as  an AEA  associate and  board                                                               
member  for the  National Association  of State  Energy Officials                                                               
(NASEO).  She  explained that  Mr.  Therriault  works with  other                                                               
state energy officials regarding national energy issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:40:44 AM                                                                                                                    
EUGENE THERRIAULT,  Deputy Director, Energy Policy  and Outreach,                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA),  Anchorage, Alaska, explained that                                                               
his association  with NASEO allows  him to  monitor federal-level                                                               
policies that could  affect Alaska. He noted  that NASEO recently                                                               
sent a letter  to the U.S. Environmental  Protection Agency (EPA)                                                               
to  address pending  carbon dioxide  emission regulations  to the                                                               
Clean Air Act.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD addressed page  7, "Energy Program Coordination."                                                               
She  set   forth  that  AEA   will  strive  to   enhance  program                                                               
coordination with the following:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Legislature,                                                                                                               
   · Governor's Office,                                                                                                         
   · AEA Board of Directors,                                                                                                    
   · Federal Agencies,                                                                                                          
   · State Agencies,                                                                                                            
   · AHFC-Office of Management and Budget,                                                                                      
   · Independent Power Producers (IPP), and                                                                                     
   · Non-government organizations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  noted that  two  and a  half  years ago,  the  AEA board  of                                                               
directors held a work session  to address opportunities with IPPs                                                               
and how they  fit in with electric utilities  to bring additional                                                               
power to  the state. She  added that AEA's involvement  with non-                                                               
government  organizations includes  the Alaska  Energy Efficiency                                                               
Partnership (AEEP). She explained that  AEA is leading the effort                                                               
with  AEEP to  help put  forward a  coordinated effort  on energy                                                               
efficiency  programs. She  added  that AEA  is  working with  the                                                               
Alaska  Regional  Development  Organization  (ARDOR)  to  develop                                                               
regional energy plans and reduce energy costs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:43:46 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the committee meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD noted AEA's involvement  with federal agencies as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) regarding the                                                                   
     Galena flooding response,                                                                                                  
   · Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) on SWHP, and                                                                   
   · U.S. Department of Agriculture-Rural Development Utilities                                                                 
     Programs (USDA-RDUP) to address potential financing                                                                        
     opportunities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She said  USDA-RDUP is  a potential funding  source for  SWHP and                                                               
the  Bradley Lake  Hydroelectric  Project  (BLHP). She  explained                                                               
that  the  Bradley  Project  Management  Committee,  which  is  a                                                               
Railbelt utilities  management committee, is pursuing  the Battle                                                               
Creek  Diversion Project  (BCDP).  She specified  that BCDP  will                                                               
enhance BLHP  and provide  more energy.  She summarized  that AEA                                                               
acts as  a clearinghouse for data,  information, and coordination                                                               
between various agencies.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She explained page  8, "Alaska Energy Programs."  She presented a                                                               
flowchart  that shows  AEA developed  with the  Alaska Office  of                                                               
Management  and   Budget  to  monitor  funding   sources,  energy                                                               
generation programs, and state agency loan programs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:46:59 AM                                                                                                                    
She referred  to page 9,  "Energy Planning and Policy."  She said                                                               
AEA is working on various energy  plans that include work that is                                                               
anticipated  for  the in-state  gas  pipeline  from SB  138.  She                                                               
pointed  out  that  possible  opportunities  exist  in  Southeast                                                               
Alaska for  liquefied natural gas  (LNG). She noted a  recent AEA                                                               
presentation   at  the   Southeast   Conference  that   addressed                                                               
opportunities   for   using   LNG  in   Southeast   and   coastal                                                               
communities.  She specified  that WesPac  Midstream LLC  has been                                                               
looking  for  opportunities  to  bring natural  gas  to  some  of                                                               
Alaska's coastal communities. She said  AEA has put together some                                                               
analysis on alternative energy opportunities from WesPac.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:49:24 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked   if  the  results  of   the  study  are                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  answered  yes.  She noted  that  the  Southeast                                                               
Conference presentation will be provided to the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if Southeast's hydroelectric  capacity is                                                               
somewhat  limited and  if  there is  additional  capacity on  the                                                               
drawing board.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  replied  that   additional  capacity  has  been                                                               
identified through the Southeast  Alaska Integrated Resource Plan                                                               
(SEIRP).  She  added  that  there   are  some  project  viability                                                               
challenges  due  to  smaller  load  areas.  She  noted  that  the                                                               
Southeast Alaska  Power Agency  (SEAPA) has  received a  call for                                                               
additional power. She added that  SEAPA is looking at raising the                                                               
Swan Lake Hydro Facility to  provide additional energy. She noted                                                               
that Metlakatla is looking at  additional projects that include a                                                               
possible  intertie  to  the  SEAPA region.  She  added  that  the                                                               
Petersburg Intertie is still being evaluated.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE pointed out that  the Legislature was approached                                                               
by  someone   who  is  interested   in  privately   investing  in                                                               
hydroelectric projects. He asked if there  is a way to separate a                                                               
place  to welcome  IPPs. He  noted that  the Railbelt  utilities'                                                               
arms are not quite as open.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  replied that  AEA's  intent  is to  continue  a                                                               
dialog  and be  open to  opportunities. She  noted an  issue with                                                               
transmission limitations and  a need for a  uniform tariff system                                                               
from the Railbelt utilities for IPPs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:52:37 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. THERRIAULT  said AEA  supported IPPs  to answer  SEAPA's call                                                               
for extra power  over the next 10 to 20  years. He explained that                                                               
AEA evaluated SEAPA's process to make  sure it was fair and truly                                                               
open  for IPPs  to  bid  and have  their  power compared  against                                                               
everybody else.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He revealed  that AEA has  tried to develop  open-access language                                                               
and  reliability  standards  for  Railbelt IPPs.  He  said  AEA's                                                               
intent has  been to establish  fair and  open rules that  the RCA                                                               
has reviewed  and sort-of-blessed. He  noted that the  state owns                                                               
170 miles  of the Railbelt  transmission system, and  pointed out                                                               
that the challenge  stems from the Railbelt  utilities owning the                                                               
transmission system's remaining percentage.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:55:03 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if there  is value in separating  the IPP                                                               
legislation   between  areas   that  do   not  have   state-owned                                                               
transmission so  that it  opens up  Southeast Alaska  for earlier                                                               
consideration where less friction exists.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT replied  that the challenge for  IPPs in Southeast                                                               
pertains  to figuring  out the  avoided cost.  He explained  that                                                               
ascertaining the  avoided cost is complicated  and the Regulatory                                                               
Commission  of  Alaska's  (RCA)   cost  scrutiny  has  value.  He                                                               
referred to  the Railbelt  and noted that  IPPs support  a better                                                               
governance system where a tariff is established.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  pointed  out  that  IPPs  have  approached  him                                                               
regarding the  RCA rule making  language that makes  it difficult                                                               
to  ascertain the  avoided cost.  He  noted that  he is  drafting                                                               
legislation to address RCA's rule making language.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT surmised that the  RCA would be open to addressing                                                               
their  current   rules  interpretation   and  assist   in  future                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL explained  that  his intent  is  to address  the                                                               
RCA's rule making ambiguity. He noted  that he has reached out to                                                               
Alaska  Power Association's  members for  comments. He  explained                                                               
that  the current  law recognizes  Alaska's unique  circumstance,                                                               
but the  law is protective  of closed  markets and does  not work                                                               
well  in  competing  markets. He  summarized  that  a  successful                                                               
system  requires government  structure, operating  structure, and                                                               
open access.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:59:20 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  set forth  that  the  key to  Alaska's  energy                                                               
success is going to be a  framework mix of private sector, public                                                               
sector, and  traditional utilities. He offered  to participate in                                                               
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT noted  the issue  with  the current  transmission                                                               
policy  and the  intent  for the  system to  be  open to  private                                                               
sector investment in transmission as well.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN addressed issues in  Southeast where IPPs are trying                                                               
to  form   various  hydroelectric  projects,  but   there  is  no                                                               
transmission.  He explained  that  the IPPs  are  asking for  the                                                               
state  to be  a partner  in constructing  transmission lines.  He                                                               
asked if AEA has addressed state participation in transmission.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  answered no.  He addressed  the need  to evaluate                                                               
transmission investment needs across the state                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER GOAD  added that  AEA had  done a  transmission cost-                                                               
benefit analysis for Southeast. She said  cost is an issue due to                                                               
long  distances  and  small  loads.  She  noted  that  additional                                                               
processing  or mining  development  would be  a game-changer  for                                                               
added energy infrastructure in Southeast.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:02:44 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. THERRIAULT addressed the need  to establish open access rules                                                               
for present and future transmission.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN asked how a  government participates in energy needs                                                               
for  a mine.  He noted  that  a Southeast  mine has  access to  a                                                               
private utility's excess power and  a second mine cannot afford a                                                               
transmission line to receive power at their location.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   pointed  out   the  similar   challenges  with                                                               
incremental versus rolled-in rates for gas.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT agreed  that there  are similarities.  He pointed                                                               
out  the challenge  in  addressing a  mine's  rights versus  open                                                               
access when a  mine underpins a 50 mile extension.  He noted that                                                               
a mine's  economic activity brings  a line into existence,  but a                                                               
transmission line is  a very long term asset. He  said if a state                                                               
has granted  a right-of-way across state  land, transmission line                                                               
operation should be  the same as a pipeline  where access, rates,                                                               
and costs are specified.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:05:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  asked him to confirm  that AEA's goal is  to get                                                               
power,  whatever  source it  is,  to  Alaskans at  an  affordable                                                               
price. He noted a conundrum  where a Southeast community embraced                                                               
an  energy efficiency  program that  resulted  in higher  utility                                                               
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT conceded  that fixed costs do not go  away and the                                                               
end result requires the costs  to be spread over fewer kilowatts.                                                               
He stated that the RCA must take into account the scenario Co-                                                                  
chair Bishop cited.  He pointed out the intricacies  that the RCA                                                               
must consider between consumer pricing and system reliability.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:08:13 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  called  attention  to page  10,  "Investing  in                                                               
Energy  Infrastructure." She  remarked that  one of  the ways  to                                                               
reduce  the  cost of  energy  is  to  invest in  Alaska's  energy                                                               
infrastructure. She  pointed out  AEA's generation  assets: BLHP,                                                               
BCDP into BLHP, and SWHP.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD reiterated that AEA's  intent is to reduce energy                                                               
costs and pointed  out a conundrum that is created  for IPPs that                                                               
is difficult for AEA to work  around. She explained that IPPs are                                                               
looking to  sell their power at  the avoided cost which  is below                                                               
what  a utility  purchases  power for.  She  called attention  to                                                               
AEA's REF  that statutorily requires  eligible IPPs  and entities                                                               
to  sell power  at cost,  not at  a profit  or avoided  cost. She                                                               
specified that grant-funds used to  support projects must be used                                                               
to directly  benefit rate  payers to reduce  the cost  of energy.                                                               
She stated that she welcomes  an opportunity to have a discussion                                                               
with the senators to address the previously explained issue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She called attention to SWHP  and explained that AEA has acquired                                                               
SWHP's land access agreements with  the Cook Inlet region village                                                               
corporations and  the Cook Inlet  Region, Incorporated  (CIRI) to                                                               
finish environmental work  that is required to  support a license                                                               
application. She disclosed that SWHP  had a successful 2013 field                                                               
season. She  pointed out that  SWHP's 50 year average  power cost                                                               
at  $0.07  per  kilowatt  hour  (kWh) has  been  confirmed  by  a                                                               
financial consultant. She  explained that the $0.07  cost per kWh                                                               
confirmation matches  the initial projection when  SWHP was first                                                               
approved  in 2011.  She said  AEA is  in the  middle of  the FERC                                                               
licensing process  with completion expected after  the 2015 field                                                               
season.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:16 AM                                                                                                                    
She presented a video on SWHP's design.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked  if SWHP's land access  is totally complete                                                               
with the Native corporations.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.   FISHER-GOAD   replied   that  access   to   finish   SWHP's                                                               
environmental work  is complete.  She said the  initial agreement                                                               
starts  a  long  term  partnership  with  CIRI  and  the  village                                                               
corporations for SWHP.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She revealed  that SWHP's  road access  has not  been determined.                                                               
She  added  that  SWHP's roller-compacted  concrete  design  will                                                               
allow  for  water  to  be  drawn  at  different  temperatures,  a                                                               
valuable attribute  for habitat mitigation. She  pointed out that                                                               
an  additional   SWHP  design  version  includes   an  additional                                                               
spillway trail.  She noted  that SWHP  design will  include 3-200                                                               
megawatt turbines.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:16:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked to meet  with SWHP's engineer for an update                                                               
on  the roller-compacted  concrete process.  He noted  that Moose                                                               
Creek, Hoover,  and Grand Coulee dams  were all formed-and-poured                                                               
concrete designs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  commented   that  the  roller-compacted  process                                                               
allows for a special mix concrete  to be placed more quickly with                                                               
a shorter curing time. He  noted the challenge with concrete heat                                                               
dissipation with dam construction.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP added that the Hoover dam is still cooling.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD addressed  SWHP's present  design rendition  and                                                               
noted that  the state's current  design and  licensing investment                                                               
would ultimately be paid back.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She addressed page 11, "Investing  in Energy Infrastructure." She                                                               
pointed out  that AEA  owns the Alaska  Intertie. She  added that                                                               
AEA  commissioned  a  transmission   study  that  identified  the                                                               
additional transmission that would need to be done.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:20:23 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. THERRIAULT  detailed that the  Alaska Intertie  upgrade would                                                               
require $900 million in priority transmission projects:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · Un-constraining BLHP: $402.2 million,                                                                                      
   · Southcentral substations: $20.5 million, and                                                                               
   · Northern Intertie projects: $480.7 million.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized that  annual projected  savings would  be $140  to                                                               
$240 million.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked how much  electricity would be used for the                                                               
proposed LNG plant for the Alaska natural gas pipeline project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT answered that he did not know.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  commented that  a lot  of electricity  would be                                                               
used at the proposed LNG plant.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP commented that the  Alaska Intertie upgrades will                                                               
be required even if the Railbelt loses two mines.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  answered  yes. He  surmised  that  the  Railbelt                                                               
utilities would want to look at  a huge industrial load hookup so                                                               
that  they are  not just  serving their  own needs.  He explained                                                               
that the fixed costs for the  overall system could be spread over                                                               
the  increased  power being  sold.  He  summarized that  the  end                                                               
result would lower the Railbelt's electrical rates.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:23:43 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  called  attention  to page  12,  "Investing  in                                                               
Energy  Infrastructure."  She noted  that  in  addition to  AEA's                                                               
assets  and Railbelt  development, AEA  has a  very robust  rural                                                               
energy  program to  help develop  energy infrastructure  in rural                                                               
Alaska. She  pointed out that AEA  has built fuel tank  farms and                                                               
powerhouses in  rural Alaska. She  said AEA continues  to receive                                                               
rural  energy  funding from  the  state  as  well as  the  Denali                                                               
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She addressed page 13, "Investing  in Energy Infrastructure." She                                                               
explained  that outside  of larger  projects,  the Power  Project                                                               
Fund  (PPF)   is  used  for  small-scale   rural  electric  power                                                               
facilities. She  detailed that PPF  loans are  used to buy  a new                                                               
engine or  enhance power systems.  She noted that AEA  is pleased                                                               
with the  current interest and  future possibilities for  the PPF                                                               
loan program.  She added that  the energy policy that  was passed                                                               
in  2010 also  included  that  the PPF  be  used  as the  primary                                                               
funding source for additional projects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:25:54 AM                                                                                                                    
She noted page 14, "Diversifying  Alaska's Energy Portfolio." She                                                               
said there  is a real desire  from the policy that  was passed to                                                               
diversify   Alaska's  energy   portfolio.   She  explained   that                                                               
statewide  generation varies  for  different  reasons. She  noted                                                               
that pending  legislation from  SB 183  will extend  the Emerging                                                               
Energy  Technology Fund  Grant Program  (EETFGP). She  noted that                                                               
grants  from   EETFGP  and  the   Denali  Commission   are  under                                                               
consideration for possibly funding 22 projects.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She addressed page 15,  "Diversifying Alaska's Energy Portfolio."                                                               
She called attention to a  unique project with Altaeros Energies.                                                               
She explained that Altaeros' unique  wind energy turbine does not                                                               
require a tower and could  benefit areas where tower construction                                                               
would  be  difficult. She  stated  that  AEA  is excited  to  see                                                               
continued development in the Altaeros program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:27:37 AM                                                                                                                    
She   pointed  out   page  16,   "Diversifying  Alaska's   Energy                                                               
Portfolio."  She said  the  REGF has  been  through six  project-                                                               
rounds with  a seventh round  under consideration.  She explained                                                               
that the  evaluation and vetting  process has been very  good for                                                               
project development. She noted that  13 million gallons of diesel                                                               
fuel or natural gas equivalent was displaced in 2013.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD said  there  have been  discussions  on what  is                                                               
required  to  finish REGF  projects  that  AEA has  started.  She                                                               
recommended  that  the REGF  program  be  used more  upfront  for                                                               
project with  different financing  opportunities for  a project's                                                               
construction. She remarked that  further discussions should occur                                                               
to  either enhance  REGF or  just  finish what  has already  been                                                               
started.  She   noted  that  REGF  primarily   addresses  smaller                                                               
projects.  She remarked  that additional  heat and  or heat  with                                                               
power  projects  will  continue  to  be  developed  for  Alaska's                                                               
smaller communities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:29:52 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   BISHOP  noted   the  13   million  gallon   equivalent                                                               
replacement and  pointed out that  approximately $60  million was                                                               
saved. He  asked if AEA  had formulated a cost-benefit  ratio. He                                                               
remarked that  the $60 million in  savings was just for  one year                                                               
and over time the savings added up to "real money."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD replied that there  is a three-to-one benefit-to-                                                               
cost savings when using the diesel equivalent price.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT remarked  that analyzing savings over  time was an                                                               
important aspect. He asserted that  renewable energy benefits may                                                               
not show  immediate results, but  benefits will grow  larger over                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   added  that  the  liability   for  storing  an                                                               
additional 13  million gallons in  rural Alaska was taken  out of                                                               
the equation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:31:45 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE noted  that Alaska was meeting half  of the goal                                                               
for renewable energy by 2025.  He asked if meeting the renewables                                                               
goal by 2025 was realistic.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  answered that  a  significant  project will  be                                                               
required  to  attain the  2025  goal.  She  pointed out  that  77                                                               
percent of  Alaska's generation  and demand  is in  the Railbelt.                                                               
She said SWHP  would have to come into play  for the portfolio to                                                               
meet its goal.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE addressed  connectivity within  the context  of                                                               
Alaska's  long term  energy plan.  He noted  that an  energy plan                                                               
probably  includes  transmission   infrastructure  that  may  not                                                               
happen for a very long time  due to Alaska's small population and                                                               
remote  areas.  He  rhetorically  inquired how  regions  will  be                                                               
logically grouped. He set forth  that a perfect-world energy plan                                                               
has  connectivity,   transmission,  and   a  reasonable   mix  of                                                               
renewables  and traditional  hydrocarbons.  She  said the  energy                                                               
plan should  address where the  state is  and where the  state is                                                               
going. He added that a lot  of little project will have to happen                                                               
in the  meantime for the  plan to  ultimately reach its  goal. He                                                               
conceded that the diesel-default model  is almost never the right                                                               
choice.  He said  he is  interested to  see how  AEA's evaluation                                                               
gets the state from where it is to where it is going.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:33:45 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOAD  replied that  Alaska's rural  powerhouses amount                                                               
to 190 micro-grids.  She noted that diesel fuel  was addressed at                                                               
a  recent  Rural  Energy  Conference   where  the  focus  was  on                                                               
developing  systems   that  were  efficient  and   reliable.  She                                                               
conceded that energy  alternatives will be looked at  in the long                                                               
term, but noted  that diesel systems used in the  short term must                                                               
be appropriately supported in rural Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked if AEA  will encourage the use of dual-fuel                                                               
compatible engines to allow for using LNG at a lower price.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:36:55 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. FISHER-GOAD answered yes. She  explained that SB 138's fiscal                                                               
note  directs AEA  to  look  at conversion  costs  and make  sure                                                               
regions are prepared to take advantage of different fuels.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT added that AEA  is looking at growing transmission                                                               
where it makes economic sense  and developing micro-grids in sub-                                                               
regions where transmission is not geographically feasible.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:38:44 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE noted  that he  sympathizes  with regions  that                                                               
depend  on traditional  energy generation.  He  pointed out  that                                                               
countries  with similar  challenges  have  moved to  distributing                                                               
alternative fuels  like LNG.  He said Alaska  is 40  years behind                                                               
Japan and Norway.  He pointed out that Australia  just started 15                                                               
years  ago.   He  noted  that  from   a  big-picture  standpoint,                                                               
localized  natural gas  production exists  with no  market value,                                                               
but certainly has the shallow-well  potential to run a village of                                                               
200.  He said  local  exploration may  take  villages off  diesel                                                               
forever. He asserted  that Alaska has had a tendency  to wait for                                                               
exploration  and  production by  companies  that  make money  off                                                               
producing energy.  He said  his suggestion  is a  different model                                                               
where there  may not be  any profit  other than the  actual power                                                               
and heat that becomes available.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  agreed that regional planning  entails looking at                                                               
localized resources.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  called  attention  to the  danger  of  the  50                                                               
percent renewable goal by 2025.  He asked that other projects not                                                               
be  pushed  aside that  may  significantly  improve local  energy                                                               
economics.  He asserted  that his  goal is  to bring  down energy                                                               
prices that may or may not fit within the 2025 renewable goal.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:41:30 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR EGAN noted his concern  for not reducing energy prices in                                                               
rural Alaska.  He said  smaller communities will  not be  able to                                                               
develop  an  economy without  lower  energy  costs. He  addressed                                                               
prior discussions on nuclear power  and asked if AEA continued to                                                               
pursue nuclear power as an option.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD replied  that AEA had commissioned  a study where                                                               
the  potential for  nuclear  power was  evaluated.  She said  AEA                                                               
continues to monitor  nuclear power as a  potential energy source                                                               
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  added that  when the energy  policy was  put into                                                               
place  in 2010,  the Legislature  went through  the statutes  and                                                               
removed  a lot  of roadblocks  to  nuclear power.  He noted  that                                                               
micro-nuclear technology  continues to be developed.  He remarked                                                               
that  current micro-nuclear  technology  is not  quite there  for                                                               
Alaska applications.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:43:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FISHER-GOAD  addressed  page   17,  "Energy  Efficiency  and                                                               
Conservation." She  said the  other program  that AEA  manages is                                                               
energy efficiency and conservation.  She pointed out that another                                                               
goal  is the  15 percent  reduction in  energy use  by 2020.  She                                                               
pointed out  that the Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC)                                                               
deals with housing  and residential uses in  addition to managing                                                               
a public  building loan fund.  She explained that AEA  focuses on                                                               
commercial   buildings,   rural  public   buildings,   industrial                                                               
facilities,  and electrical  efficiency on  the generation  side.                                                               
She said AEA  has a significant amount of  statewide outreach and                                                               
education with  AKEnergyEfficiency.org. She added that  AEA has a                                                               
significant  coordinated  effort  with  many  entities  that  are                                                               
interested in energy efficiency.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD  said there has been  significant savings through                                                               
energy efficiency measures as follows:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   · 1.5 million gallon replacement per year,                                                                                   
   · Village Energy Efficiency Program (VEEP) received 85                                                                       
     applications in 2013,                                                                                                      
   · 7 communities were VEEP funded,                                                                                            
   · 30 cent payback for every dollar invested,                                                                                 
   · Commercial Energy Audit Program assists commercial building                                                                
     owners in realizing energy savings, and                                                                                    
   · Department of Commerce's small loan program assists                                                                        
     commercial building owners in taking advantage of private                                                                  
     sector financing to make building improvements.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She  addressed  Senator  Micciche's  comment  concerning  the  50                                                               
percent renewable goal. She asserted  that AEA's primary priority                                                               
is looking  for affordable energy  solutions and  reducing energy                                                               
costs. She said AEA believes  renewable energy fits into Alaska's                                                               
future. She countered  that the 50 percent renewable  goal is not                                                               
necessarily  the driver.  She stated  that  renewable energy  can                                                               
serve  a  dual  purpose  by   diversifying  the  portfolio  while                                                               
reducing energy costs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:47:26 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THERRIAULT noted  page 18,  "Interior  Energy Project  (IEP)                                                               
Overview" and explained  that the IEP's LNG  project consisted of                                                               
an LNG  plant on the  North Slope, a trucking  component, storage                                                               
in the community, and a distribution build-out.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He addressed  page 19,  "IEP Goals."  He highlighted  various IEP                                                               
Goals as follows:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · Supply natural gas to Interior Alaska at the lowest                                                                        
     possible cost, to as many Alaska customers as possible, and                                                                
     as soon as possible.                                                                                                       
   · Keep private sector investment in the build-out's overall                                                                  
     infrastructure.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  explained page  20,  "SB  23 Finance  Package."  He said  the                                                               
financing  package that  was passed  by the  Legislature provides                                                               
access to  the Sustainable Energy Transmission  and Supply (SETS)                                                               
loans, a capitol component for  Alaska Industrial Development and                                                               
Export Authority  (AIDEA) to actually  take an  investment equity                                                               
position  in  the plant.  He  added  that the  financing  package                                                               
includes a  $150 million bond  bid that  could be loaned  out for                                                               
the natural gas distribution build-out.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  pointed  out  page 21,  "LNG  and  Propane  Sale                                                               
Priorities" as follows:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · Residential and commercial space heating,                                                                                  
   · Electric utilities,                                                                                                        
   · Industrial customers,                                                                                                      
   · Other utilities, and                                                                                                       
   · Open market sales.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized that  most energies  are a  volume enterprise  and                                                               
higher  volume LNG  sales will  equate to  lower unit-prices  for                                                               
everybody.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He addressed page 22, "Completed  Project Milestones" for the LNG                                                               
project. He  pointed out that the  AIDEA and AEA boards  had just                                                               
approved the first SETS loans  for the distribution build-out. He                                                               
detailed that  $15 million  was loaned  to Fairbanks  Natural Gas                                                               
(FNG)  for a  fairly aggressive  build-out starting  in 2014  and                                                               
$8.1  million  was  loaned  to Interior  Gas  Utility  (IGU)  for                                                               
storage and  distribution engineering  and design. He  noted that                                                               
IGU  will   serve  areas  outside   of  FNG's   existing  service                                                               
territory.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:50:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked to receive  details on FNG's build-out plan                                                               
on where the $15 million loan is going to be applied.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT explained  page 23,  "Proposed Project  Location:                                                               
LNG  Plant."  He   revealed  that  the  plant's   site  has  been                                                               
identified and  will tie  into the existing  gas fuel  system. He                                                               
noted that  the plant's  site was  not very far  from one  of the                                                               
North  Slope's flow-stations  that allowed  for a  less expensive                                                               
tie-in.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed page  24, "North  Slope Facility:  Next Steps."  He                                                               
revealed that the Letter of  Intent was executed in February 2014                                                               
and   the  Project   Development  Agreement   was  currently   in                                                               
negotiations with Montgomery Watson  Harza (MWH) Global. He noted                                                               
that  MWH Global  was  selected  by the  AIDEA  board  to be  the                                                               
private sector partner for the LNG plant's development.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  page 25,  "Natural  Gas  Distribution System."  He                                                               
explained that the Regulatory Commission  of Alaska (RCA) decided                                                               
last  December on  FNG's and  IGU's distribution  territories. He                                                               
detailed that IGU would get  the expansion territory, but pointed                                                               
out IGU's challenge with additional  pipeline miles that services                                                               
a smaller  customer base. He  summarized that AEA's intent  is to                                                               
use the  tools provided by  the Legislature to serve  the largest                                                               
customer base at a reasonable and affordable price.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:52:25 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. THERRIAULT detailed page 26,  "Conversion Analysis Study." He                                                               
revealed  that  AEA has  spent  time  evaluating how  to  quickly                                                               
convert customers  to natural gas. He  summarized that converting                                                               
from fuel oil  to natural gas and potentially  cutting fuel costs                                                               
in half should  be a large enough incentive  for most residential                                                               
home owners to  make the conversion. He noted that  IGU and AIDEA                                                               
surveyed customers  and received very good  feedback on potential                                                               
conversion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:54:15 AM                                                                                                                    
He addressed page 27, "Pipeline  Gas Demand by Customer." He said                                                               
AEA believes natural  gas demand will grow over  time. He pointed                                                               
out   that   Golden    Valley   Electric   Association's   (GVEA)                                                               
participation was included in the  demand forecast. He noted that                                                               
AIDEA was working with GVEA on  signing up as a bulk customer. He                                                               
noted that GVEA will have to  find fuel sources due to the recent                                                               
refinery closing announcement by Flint Hills Resources.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  called  attention  the  gas  pipeline's  large                                                               
demand increase  from 2014  to 2015. He  asked if  the forecasted                                                               
increase was attributed to GVEA purchases to power gas turbines.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  replied that IGU  will probably locate  their gas                                                               
storage tanks near GVEA and  build-out their distribution with an                                                               
initial volume-customer.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked when the first LNG will be shipped.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT answered  that LNG shipments are  targeted for the                                                               
last quarter of 2015.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:56:25 AM                                                                                                                    
He  addressed   page  28,   "Incentive  Demand   Comparison."  He                                                               
explained that adding an on-bill  financing mechanism that allows                                                               
customers  to make  monthly  conversion-cost  payments over  time                                                               
would drive added demand.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed  page 29,  "Distribution  System:  Next Steps."  He                                                               
summarized  that   the  next  steps  entail   negotiating  tanker                                                               
contracts for IGU, FNG, and GVEA.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked Ms. Fisher-Gold for her closing comments.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD asked that the  Legislature support AEA's funding                                                               
requests  and   current  projects.  She  noted   that  AEA  faces                                                               
challenges  in  balancing  short,   mid,  and  long  term  energy                                                               
development.  She pointed  out that  complications  exist due  to                                                               
Alaska's  geographical size,  small  electrical  loads, and  long                                                               
distances between  loads that precipitates  somewhat inconsistent                                                               
legislative  policies.  She  related  that  AEA  appreciates  the                                                               
dialog with  the Legislature to  make sure AEA is  fulfilling its                                                               
expectations as the state's energy  office. She asserted that AEA                                                               
listens to regional leaders and  communities. She summarized that                                                               
AEA implements the programs that the Legislature funds.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE set forth that  AEA should prioritize efficiency                                                               
first. He  expressed hope that AEA  has the courage to  push back                                                               
when policymakers  may not  be choosing  efficient policy  and to                                                               
analyze  energy  delivery methods  prior  to  final analysis.  He                                                               
asserted that  just because the Legislature  decides something is                                                               
the  best idea  does  not mean  that  is the  case.  He said  the                                                               
Legislature counts on AEA's expertise and freedom to push back.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:43 AM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Co-Chair  Bishop adjourned  the Senate  Special Committee  on In-                                                               
State Energy hearing at 9:00 a.m.                                                                                               

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